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September 22nd, 2008


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03:30 am - You and Journaling Sites
What do you look for in a journaling site? Is it the ability to store lots of user avatars? Or the ability to store pictures? Friends lists? Communities?

We're asking because we're considering a radical change in the code we use. Feel free to comment and tell us what means the most to you in a journaling site. The more, the merrier!

Also, have any of you had any experience with either LifeType or B2Evolution? What did you like/dislike about them? How would you compare them to basic LJ-code functionality (not the code LJ is currently running, which contains lots of things they won't offer open-source - but the code we're running here)?

Yes, we are reviewing both the LifeType package and the B2Evolution package as a possible alternative to this old, tired, hard-to-update LJ code. Both packages are written in PHP and are modules-based: Additional functionality is added on via plug-in modules.

If some of you would be interested in "test driving" one or the other package, let us know in comments, here. Thanks!
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From:[info]erisreg
Date:September 22nd, 2008 11:57 am (UTC)

code

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i have a B2E journal at - http://www.piratejournal.co.uk - but they didn't seem very committed to it,.. and it's down most of the time,.. but the code seems solid,. as for "life type" not familiar with it,. but PHP is a more solid foundation either way,.. some of my future ideas would benefit from picture storage,..(illustrated stories)

personally i think it's a wise move,.who knows what the plans are about the withheld code,..no good i bet,..

you'll get some balking over the "ease of use", but that tends to be laziness,.. on the part of the user,..

i can't commit to being a steady help but will be glad to step up if i see a place i can,..
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From:[info]erisreg
Date:September 22nd, 2008 11:59 am (UTC)

"test driving"

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and yes i would play with any code you set up for usability,..:)
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From:[info]cj_news
Date:September 22nd, 2008 01:14 pm (UTC)

Re: "test driving"

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Thanks! We'll let you know when we're ready for testers :)
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From:[info]peenasaurus
Date:September 23rd, 2008 02:26 am (UTC)

Re: code

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Lots of User icons (100 is nice, but more would be nicer, especially for paid, etc.).

FREE if we aren't able to afford paid accounts.

Lots of themes for both S1 and S2, if the LJ code is stuck with.

I don't see the need for photo hosting (it takes up a lot of server space that could be used for other things), since places like Photobucket exist.

More stock mood themes would be nice, too.
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From:[info]bisou
Date:September 22nd, 2008 12:49 pm (UTC)
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Easy use is something I know my friends and I generally look for.

Is this going to fix the problems with editing posts within communities and deleting comments?
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From:[info]cj_news
Date:September 22nd, 2008 01:14 pm (UTC)
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This will fix a whole slew of problems. It's a different platform, entirely.
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From:[info]erisreg
Date:September 22nd, 2008 03:06 pm (UTC)

me again,..

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some features that i find useful,..

a friend/favorite page

a front page displaying recent posts (system wide), login, and news

some kind of in house picture host,
linking is fast and secure if you can set protection levels, such as a photo will only display where you've cleared it,..

a noting/comment system where the blog owner can set levels of comment style, public, screened/private, and the commenter can leave notes of a private nature if the owner has allowed that,.. this is a nice feature,.. sometimes you want to correct a point, spelling/facts without making a spectacle of the act,..

the whole customizing thing has a lot of draw, but mostly it's template work and css customization,..something i can do but am lazy,..

i guess the real work will be in migrating the database to the new system but i think lj archives as xml so it's feasible,..

still thinking,..
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From:[info]deusdiabolus
Date:September 22nd, 2008 03:28 pm (UTC)
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B2Evolution sounds a little more appealing. Of course, it would have been nice if LifeType had had screenshots somewhere in there.

As far as what I look for in a journal/blog site...

1. Flexibility of access - Having a WYSIWYG editor on-site is one thing, but it's even nicer to be able to either use a third party editor or link an external posting service such as Twitter or Ping.fm to my blog so that any posts I make there will also go to this blog.

2. Sidebar widgets - Support for things like the Reddit sidebar or the last.fm widget would be great. Blogger has those things, but I don't use Blogger as much ever since their spambots flagged my blog a few months back (the same spambots that flagged their own Adsense blog).

3. An invite link. Rather than me emailing a bunch of people to say "Hey, this is my new thing, check it out", I would much rather have an invite link that I can post in other places so that people who use it to sign up would automatically be added to my flist.
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From:[info]connie
Date:September 22nd, 2008 11:45 pm (UTC)
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these are the things i look for in a journaling site:
1.) ability to upload lots of usericons (100 is a good amount, but 1000 would be better ;-P).
2.) slot for current mood and current music.
3.) lots of available mood icons to choose from
4.) lots of different journal style templates to choose from--both s1 and s2.
5.) ability to customize journal style if none of the templates are good enough
6.) free!
7.) ability to backdate entries
8.) choice of writing entries in either plain text or rich text
9.) ability to post more than 50 entries in a journal and still be able to click the "back" link and see the previous 50, not just the previous 1.
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From:[info]zhoumi
Date:September 23rd, 2008 11:13 pm (UTC)
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The 100 userpics was a big, big factor in why I wanted to move here, I have to admit. I think adding photo hosting would be a huge mistake--it killed GreatestJournal, in the end, and come on, it's not like there aren't a million sites like Photobucket and Imageshack and Tinypic where people can upload pictures to their hearts' content.

Communities and friends lists are both very important to the way I use CJ--without them, it would be useless to me. I'm pretty happy with it the way it is, honestly. There are some bugs, some minor annoyances with layouts that don't work... but nothing so far that has rendered CJ unusable for the purpose I put it to, and I wouldn't want to switch over to a drastically different platform.
From:[info]sagami
Date:September 27th, 2008 01:14 am (UTC)
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Tough question, that. Well, for me, I think it's really the connectivity. One thing that I've noticed about LJ based sites is that it gets very segregated? Like if I've got a friend who's on LJ, another on InsaneJournal and a third on LostJournal, entries that I make will have to be duplicated (unless left public) for all three of them to read them at different locations. Or rather, they would need to have multiple accounts.

While things like LJlogin are handy, what would be really great would be the ability to have it linked up, if you know what I mean? Like, if I use someone's ID (say XXXX.livejournal.com), and friend that address, it would be really awesome if that person will be able to see the entries without logging in and out and all that jazz? And of course, if it could work the other way (I could see entries without having to log in and out ten million times) would be really great too.

But really, the thing that I'm looking for most is this: just a system. I mean, frankly, I know hosting and all that is really expensive; I don't deny it. But what I thought would be really great would be this: if commieJournal could be divided into two parts (ie, the part that is hosted on the server, but you have the ability to store the data the way you do in wordpress or something, so that you can easily save/ export your posts or change webhosts ect), that would be a feature that I would totally love.

No offense meant, but even if CommieJournal isn't a corporation, I have to admit all the trouble with LiveJournal has made me very suspicious of anything that doesn't allow easy import/export. The thought of having to uproot everything (and then put everything back again) is hardly my idea of fun. Having to choose between security settings and losing comments is hardly a trade off that I appreciate.

The thing that attracted me to LiveJournal was that of a community; it was the concept that you're connected, wherever you are, no matter what might come. And that was the promise that I loved. That is the promise that makes me want to support CommieJournal, because it's the promise that friends I make will not go poof just because they change their minds about the service.

I think I've mentioned it before, but I'm probably one of the weird few who host my journal on my own paid webspace. I mean, it's a solution that works (kind of) for me--but it means that it makes supporting any other causes much harder for me (because heck, I'm no millionaire).

I know it's tough to incorporate (I've actually tried several times and failed spectacularly; not surprising, seeing how I have very little computer knowledge ^^;), but if we're talking wish lists here, that would be mine.

Still, if nothing else, just keeping to the stance of "not being a corporation" is pretty much what I seek, so features and all that are just additional bells and whistles that don't mean all that much to me.
From:[info]sagami
Date:September 27th, 2008 01:17 am (UTC)
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PS. Totally forgot to add: I don't really use any of these sites much nowadays, but I'm open to being a beta tester if you need one. Just be warned, though: total computer idiot on this end, so anything short of instructions that say "Click me. Now type this!" kind of instructions would render me clueless. ^^;

In other words, I'm probably not the best beta tester around (since from what I understand, it would be most optimal if beta testers were 1. people who used the site frequently 2. people who had some kind of computer knowledge), but if you're talking about just needing to make up the numbers, I'm open to it.
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From:[info]bisou
Date:October 10th, 2008 12:48 pm (UTC)
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Is there a reason why new accounts are being labeled as underage?
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From:[info]rosaceae
Date:October 10th, 2008 06:58 pm (UTC)
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If your birthday indicates that you're not 18 or older, then your account will be labeled as underage.

If a person's birthday indicates they're 18 or older, they should be labeled free account. Do you have an example? Thanks.
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From:[info]jcena
Date:October 10th, 2008 07:06 pm (UTC)
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The birthday in this journal is for 1977 and it's been labeled underage. I just made this last night.
From:varph
Date:October 10th, 2008 07:40 pm (UTC)
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Okay, the error is fixed :)
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From:[info]dushku
Date:October 11th, 2008 05:21 pm (UTC)
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Thank for you fixing the problem!
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From:[info]bisou
Date:October 10th, 2008 07:07 pm (UTC)
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[info]dushku is the example.
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From:[info]schism
Date:October 27th, 2008 07:45 pm (UTC)
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This is what I look for in a journaling site:

1.) Icon space no less than 100 for free users, more for paid accounts.
2.) The ability to tweak my style, whether it's S1 or S2.
3.) Lots of mood themes to choose from.
4.) Easy to update/delete posts and comments. Being able to edit them would be an added bonus.
5.) I agree with anyone who said no image hosting, and for the same reasons.


And because I was thinking about it- I think more people would get permanat/paid accounts if they cost less. I know it takes money to run the servers, and you guys put a lot of labor into keeping stuff going, but this economy is hard on everyone. I think even dropping it a few dollars would a.) bring more people to the site, and b.) cause them to want to stay and pay.

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